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Report of Monday Morning Meeting on Gaza War: The Risk of Regional Escalation January 08, 2024 Monday Morning Meeting

Dr. Adil Rasheed, Research Fellow, Manohar Parrikar Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses, made a presentation on “Gaza War: The Risk of Regional Escalation” at the Monday Morning Meeting held on 8 January 2024. Dr. Deepika Saraswat, Associate Fellow, MP-IDSA, moderated the session. Scholars of the Institute attended the meeting.

Executive Summary

The Gaza War which has completed three months has no end in sight with the Israeli endgame not being clear to the other state and non-state actors. Israel has vowed to continue its offensive on Gaza until it achieves its three main objectives of completely dismantling Hamas, rescuing the hostages and creating deterrence. However, the conflict has spread into the region with other players such as the Hezbollah of Lebanon and Houthis of Yemen, both backed by Iran fighting against Israel. This has escalated the fear of the war spreading into the entire region which may see direct or indirect intervention by the US. The entire West Asian region is once again witnessing turmoil with no easy solutions in sight.

Detailed Report

Dr. Saraswat set the framework for the discussion by stating that the Israel-Hamas War has rapidly escalated across the region with external actors such as the Hezbollah playing an active role. She noted that Iran insisted that the Hamas attacks were entirely Palestinian actions but Iran-backed forces, especially Hezbollah, have opened new fronts against Israel. According to Dr. Saraswat, the escalation has been controlled as none of the actors want to fight a full-fledged war but there always remains the possibility of miscalculation and further escalation. She then spoke about the op-ed written by former Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett who suggested that Israel should directly take on Iran instead of the smaller regional non-state actors and spoke of a new Cold War between Iran and its proxies being referred to as the ‘evil empire’ and Israel and its allies as comprising the ‘democratic camp’ . She briefly mentioned the twin blasts by ISIS in Kerman. Dr. Saraswat pointed out how Israel is emboldened by regional circumstances, given it has not faced any concerted pushback from the Arab countries. She mentioned that the Israeli endgame does not appear very clear and there is a possibility of further entanglement with Iran.

Dr. Adil Rasheed began his presentation with the mention of the sudden Hamas attacks on Israel on 7 October 2023, which took place just a day after the 50th anniversary of the Yom-Kippur War. He says that three months into the war there is no clear indication of how it is going to play out, with no end in sight. Dr. Rashid mentioned the statement made by British journalist Julian Borger that the Middle East is moving towards a regional war since 7 October. He talked about the recent threats issued by Hezbollah, their increase in bombings, the manner in which attacks have started happening in Iran and the assassinations of leaders including the Deputy Chief of Hamas, Saleh al-Arouri, in Beirut. He pointed out that the region is definitely moving towards a much wider escalation with the Israel Defence Minister mentioning that Israel is fighting a seven-front war with Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, West Bank, Iraq, Yemen, and Iran. There are other less conventional fronts that Israel might have to face in the coming times like the International Court of Justice (ICJ) at The Hague where it might find any ruling on accusations of Palestinian genocide problematic. Another disturbing front is that of the global jihadist forces such as Al Qaeda and ISIS issuing threats and targeting Jewish, Israeli, and even American targets. There are tensions within the Netanyahu dispensation as well. The Cabinet was recently shuffled and the Foreign Minister had to resign.

Dr. Rasheed mentioned that the situation in the region three months ago, prior to the Hamas attacks was completely different. There were talks of regional integration including a possible Saudi-Israel rapprochement and economic alliances such as the I2U2 and the India-Middle East-Europe Corridor (IMEC), which all went into thin air after the war started. This displayed the pace at which geopolitics changes in West Asia.

Dr. Rasheed mentioned that 7 October was the bloodiest single day in modern Israeli history. Hamas launched several incursions from Gaza from land and air. Hamas militants breached high-tech border fences, disabled Israel’s robotic machine guns and penetrated deep into Israeli territories without facing much resistance. Rockets were fired into far away Israeli cities. There was large-scale massacre of civilians, women were raped and children beheaded but there was a paucity of investigations into the reports of beheadings and rapes. The Hamas attack was a 9/11 moment for Israel but it did not get as much global attention. He talked about Israel’s failure to raise the matter at the United Nations or the ICJ as Israel focused more on seeking revenge. The global audience saw Israel’s bombardment of Gaza which undermined the graveness of the Hamas attacks. Israel was unaware of the preparation and the level of sophistication achieved by Hamas in carrying out such an attack. Israeli and other global agencies were completely surprised by the sudden attacks. Hamas was never considered a well trained militia like Hezbollah and ISIS.

Dr. Rasheed listed out three reasons for which Hamas undertook such a massive operation. Firstly, it was to avenge the settler actions of Israel in the West Bank. Secondly, it was also due to Israel’s alleged violations into the al-Aqsa mosque. Lastly, the normalisation in Arab-Israel ties was allegedly threatening the Palestinian cause. Hamas was looking to capture more hostages to secure the release of Palestinian prisoners. Dr. Rasheed said that even though Israel’s actions might be questioned on moral grounds, one could understand their cause of origin. Israel cannot survive in a hostile neighbourhood unless it maintains unquestionable military superiority over its adversaries at all times. It cannot be judged as per the standards of western secular democracy as it was founded to be the only safe homeland for the Jews existing within a volatile region. Thus, Israel has to create deterrence and instill fear among its adversaries. In such a situation many far right leaders made unfortunate statements which were often blown out of proportion.

Dr. Rasheed noted that Israel has resorted to massive bombardment whose intensity out rivalled that of the Ukraine-Russia War, Syrian War and even the Second World War. He then detailed the 27 October ground offensive launched by Israel inside Gaza, followed by brief humanitarian pauses for supply of aid. He mentioned how the residents of northern Gaza had to migrate towards the south, and as the Israeli offensive kept moving south, some people started returning back to their homes in the north of Gaza. He spoke about how the withdrawal of the USS Gerald Ford from the region allowed Hezbollah to carry out more strikes.

Dr. Rasheed ended his presentation by speaking about the possible future strategy of Israel, where Benjamin Netanyahu wants to provoke Iran and the US to join the war, so that Israel gets more time to focus exclusively on driving Hamas out of Gaza. However, he also cautioned that Iran and Hezbollah would not be very keen on fighting a full-fledged war because of their domestic economic constraints.

Dr. Saraswat noted that West Asia should not be seen in exceptionalist terms as prone to violence and instability. Instead sources of insecurity, such as external penetration and authoritarianism need to be part of any analysis. She noted that the lack of a solution for the Palestinian issue hinders any talk of sustainable peace in the region. She also mentioned the lack of security dialogue among regional states. Dr. Rasheed added that the Hamas attacks had put a big dent on Israeli and Western security domination and had encouraged other jihadist outfits to carry out such attacks. The floor was then opened for questions and comments.

Questions and Comments

A number of queries and comments were made regarding Israel’s ultimate strategy and objectives, its cartographic stability in comparison to India, the matrix of comparison of Israel’s attacks with other wars, the role of media, the stand of the Jewish diaspora, the role of the international organisations and their resolutions, and the threat posed by Hezbollah and other regional actors.

Dr. Adil Rasheed responded to all the comments and questions. With regard to the international organisations, he noted that Israel does not bother much about it but it is the US under the Democrats which is worried about its image taking a hit domestically and globally. He said that apart from the influential Jewish diaspora, it is the significant Evangelical Christian population of the US which influences its policies towards Israel. He said that due to the increasing role of media, public opinion will gradually make more difference in influencing policies. On the way forward for Israel, he said that a two-state or a one-state solution may not be feasible. Israel may put in charge a non-Hamas led Palestinian Authority to govern Gaza. He also cautioned that things may even go out of control at any moment of time. He also made a brief mention of the challenges faced by Egypt due to the conflict.

Report  prepared by Mr. Farhan Khan, Intern, West Asia Centre, MP-IDSA.

Russian Delegation Visit to MP-IDSA | Prospects of India-Russia Cooperation in the Arctic February 07, 2024 Other

A five-member delegation from Russian academia and universities dealing with projects related to the Arctic and International Studies in Petrozavodsk, St. Petersburg and Murmansk visited MP-IDSA on 7 February 2024 for an interaction with scholars at the Institute on the theme ‘Prospects of India-Russia Cooperation in the Arctic’. The Russian delegation included Dr. Anton S. Kovshov, Director and Ms. Ekaterina V. Serova, Deputy Director, the Arctic Center, Petrozavodsk State University, Petrozavodsk. Dr. Mikhail V. Vasyokha, Head of the Department of Marine Oil and Gas Engineering and Dr. Zhanna V. Vasilyeva, Head of the Department of Ecology and Technosphere Safety, were from Murmansk Arctic University, Murmansk. The fifth member of the delegation was Dr. Kirill A. Likhachev, Associate Professor of the Department of Theory and History of International Relations, School of International Relations, St. Petersburg State University, St. Petersburg, Russia. The interaction was chaired by Ambassador Sujan R. Chinoy, Director General, MP-IDSA, New Delhi.

Detailed Report

In his opening remarks, the Director General, Amb. Sujan R. Chinoy formally welcomed the Russian Delegation to MP-IDSA. He highlighted the strengths of India-Russia bilateral relations and acknowledged that there exists strong cooperation between the two countries despite global geopolitical uncertainties. DG mentioned that the bilateral trade between India and Russia has surpassed the US$50 billion mark in 2023. He emphasised that these high trade figures are mainly a result of India’s increased imports of Russian hydrocarbons and there is a need to diversify our trade to new areas. DG highlighted the emerging importance of the Arctic region from environmental, economic and strategic perspectives. He mentioned that the limited cooperation in the working groups of the Arctic Council without Russia, which accounts for more than 50 per cent of the coastal extent in the region, remains a cause of concern. DG further mentioned that India supports the development of Russia’s Northern Sea Route and its Far East regions. He highlighted Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s ‘Act Far East Policy’ and emphasised that India in 2019 allocated a US$1 billion line of credit for the development of Russia’s Far East. DG acknowledged Russia’s decision to train Indian seafarers for Polar Regions and highlighted that Indian seafarers globally contribute 10 per cent of manpower for global shipping. He mentioned that as shipping activity in the NSR develops it offers further prospects for Indian seafarers in Arctic waters. Post these opening remarks, DG welcomed the presentations from the Russian delegation.

Dr. Anton S. Kovshov, Director, Arctic Center, Petrozavodsk State University, Petrozavodsk thanked Ambassador Chinoy for inviting them all to MP-IDSA. He acknowledged all the points made by Ambassador Chinoy and emphasised the need for more people-to-people cooperation between the two countries. Dr. Anton highlighted that the Arctic presents immense opportunities for both Russia and India and at the Arctic Centre, at Petrozavodsk State University their research remains focused on understanding multiple aspects of the Arctic. Dr. Anton highlighted that their Institute conducts multiple activities on Arctic Science, geo-economics, climate change, potential resources in the Arctic and other related aspects via seminars, conferences and publications in both Russian and English language. Dr. Anton highlighted that they are interested in better understanding India’s interests in the Arctic and welcomed the future participation of scholars from MP-IDSA in these. Dr. Anton then invited his colleague Ms. Ekaterina V. Serova to elaborate further on this very aspect.

Ms. Ekaterina V. Serova, in the proceeding slides of the presentation, highlighted the geographical importance of Petrozavodsk State University in the Republic of Karelia from the Arctic perspective. Ms. Serova highlighted India-Russia's increasing annual trade figures and mentioned that the Karelia region accounts for a significant portion of this trade. She then emphasised they are further exploring opportunities for undertaking research about the Indian market to promote Russian products produced by the Arctic SMEs. Ms. Serova mentioned that India can simultaneously seek opportunities for exploring the Russian Arctic region to promote the products of Indian SMEs. Ms. Serova mentioned that their Institute focuses on undertaking research on various Arctic-related projects and she highlighted funding opportunities for Indian researchers. She mentioned that the Gorchakov Fund holds two grant competitions per year and Indian researchers could consider applying to those. Ms. Serova mentioned that their Institute, ‘The Arctic Centre’ organised two major events i.e. ‘The Arctic Business School in Karelia’ and “The Expert Seminar on Science Diplomacy in the Arctic under Global Changes’ in the past that received huge participation. Lastly, Ms. Serova highlighted their Institute's major upcoming event ‘The Arctic: Our Global Neighbourhood’, scheduled for May 2024. She welcomed Indian participation in it via physical or online mode.

Dr. Kirill A. Likhachev made the second presentation and highlighted the opportunities for Indian scholars at Saint Petersburg State University. Dr Likhachev in his presentation mentioned that Saint Petersburg State University is celebrating its 300th anniversary in 2024 whereas the School of International Relations (SIR) is marking its 30th anniversary in February 2024. Dr. Likhachev highlighted that SIR in the past has hosted significant events focusing on International Relations, particularly the South Asia region where scholars from India and different parts of the world have participated in large numbers. He also highlighted the ‘Asian Dialogue Program’ of Saint Petersburg State University and mentioned that Dr. Ashok K. Behuria and Dr. Rajorshi Roy from MP-IDSA have participated in the same. Dr. Likhachev mentioned that they are hosting the 2nd Congress of International Relations Researchers, from April 25-27, 2024 and he welcomed participation from MP-IDSA scholars. Lastly, Dr. Likhachev emphasised though that there remain some complex geopolitical challenges between India and China, there is a need to restart trilateral dialogue between Russia-India-China, at least at scholars and expert levels. He concluded his presentation by highlighting that there are many existing issues of geopolitical concern in South Asia and Russia where both Indian and Russian scholars can undertake collective research in due course.

The third and final presentation was made by Dr. Mikhail Vasekha and Dr. Zhanna Vasileva jointly. Dr. Mikhail Vasekha started his presentation by highlighting that Murmansk remains the most important port city when it comes to the Arctic. He mentioned that Murmansk plays an important role in Russia’s Arctic connectivity and the city remains engaged in mining, fish processing and marine research. Dr. Vasekha emphasised that their research at Murmansk Arctic University focuses on Marine technologies, Arctic bioresources, Environmental technologies and technosphere safety, Arctic mineral and hydrocarbon resources and offshore logistics. He also mentioned that despite geopolitical challenges, they to an extent, have continued to maintain their existing cooperation with the universities of Scandinavian countries. Apart from this, he mentioned that the Murmansk Arctic University holds Summer and Winter schools in which MP-IDSA can consider participating. Dr. Vasekha lastly gave an overview of some of the ongoing and planned projects at Murmansk Arctic University that included the Development of Arctic Logistics', the Northern Sea Route and the Expansion of the Possibilities of the International North-South Transport Corridor (INSTC). He then invited his colleague Dr. Zhanna Vasileva to give a detailed account of some of the ongoing scientific projects on the Arctic at their university.

Dr. Zhanna Vasileva highlighted that her area of research mainly focuses on studying the scientific aspects of the Arctic. She mentioned that some of their ongoing projects include ‘Monitoring and assessment of Greenhouse Gas Emissions from ships in the waters of the NSR’, ‘Assessment and forecast of the environmental impact of maritime transport and port development in the Barents Region’, ‘Low-Carbon Marine Logistics and Cross-Border Carbon Regulation in the Arctic’, ‘Development of solutions for the elimination of emergency oil spills and technologies for the restoration of natural environments in the arctic shelf’ and a project involving ‘the study of marine sediments (MS) of the arctic seas’.

In her presentation, Dr. Vasileva gave a detailed account of the various scientific methodologies that they are employing in the study of these projects. She also highlighted some of the possible results that are expected from these ongoing projects. Dr. Vasileva mentioned that they are open to collaboration and partnerships from Indian scientific communities, universities and research Institutes that are involved or interested in undertaking research in these domains. Lastly, Dr. Vasileva highlighted that the Murmansk Arctic University in collaboration with Russia’s ‘Roscosmos’ is opening a Space Information Center in 2024 at Murmansk Arctic University. She mentioned that this would be instrumental in the accumulation and processing of AIS information and Earth sensing data, for integration with additional databases on navigation (databases of ports and Administration of the Northern Sea Route) and security (the base of the Ministry of Emergency Situations) in the waters of the Northern Sea Route.

Both Dr. Mikhail Vasekha and Dr. Zhanna Vasileva made their presentations mainly in Russian Language which were simultaneously translated in English by Ms. Ekaterina V. Serova.   

Questions and Comments

The Director General, Amb. Chinoy complimented the members of the Russian delegation for their detailed presentations. He highlighted that ‘Arctic Tourism’ could become an important area for enhancing India-Russia bilateral cooperation. DG mentioned that there is immense potential in this regard where the Russian side could consider exploring opportunities in the Indian tourism industry. He mentioned that in the post-COVID pandemic recovery years, India’s outbound tourism has witnessed a significant increase.

Dr. Uttam Kumar Sinha mentioned that India, despite being a distant country, remains well-informed regarding the geopolitical and environmental transitions in the Arctic. He also highlighted that India in 2022 came up with its first Arctic Policy document that presents a detailed account of India’s interests in the region.

Dr. Rajorshi Roy highlighted that India-Russia cooperation on any aspect in the Arctic could enhance bilateral cooperation between both countries. He asked the delegation if they could elaborate a bit on ‘How the developments in the Russian Far East have contributed to more attraction of Asian states interests towards the Arctic?’ He also asked the delegation to comment on China's increasing presence in the Russian Arctic.

Dr. Swasti Rao also asked the delegation about the increasing China-Russia cooperation in the Arctic. She further asked the delegation to comment on China’s increasing role in various energy projects in the Arctic.

Dr. Jason asked the delegation about the possibilities of expanding the business of Indian Film Industry in the Russian Arctic. He highlighted that the Arctic offers perfect locations for undertaking cinematographic shoots that could open business opportunities for Indian Bollywood Industry.

Ms. Anandita asked the delegation whether the Russian side is looking for possibilities of expanding Russian businesses via SMEs to Indian markets or whether this could also be explored the other way around.

All the members of the Russian delegation gave detailed remarks to all the comments raised. The interaction ended with a formal note of thanks and an exchange of books and mementoes from both sides.

Report prepared by Mr. Bipandeep Sharma, Research Analyst, Non-Traditional Security Centre, MP-IDSA.

Monday Morning Meeting Report: The Evolving Dynamics in India-Philippines Defence and Security Relations February 05, 2024 1030 to 1300 hrs Monday Morning Meeting

Dr. Temjenmeren Ao, Associate Fellow at the Manohar Parrikar Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses, made a presentation on “The Evolving Dynamics in India-Philippines Defence and Security Relations” at the Monday Morning Meeting held on 5 February 2024. The session was moderated by Ms. Shruti Pandalai, Associate Fellow, MP-IDSA. Ambassador Sujan R. Chinoy, Director General, MP-IDSA and the scholars of MP-IDSA attended the meeting.

Executive Summary

The Republic of the Philippines constitutes an important part of India’s outreach to the Southeast Asian nations since the implementation of the Look East Policy. As India and Philippines complete 75 years of diplomatic ties, new avenues for cooperation have emerged in the current era of geopolitical flux. The developmental trajectory of the two Asian states as well as legitimate maritime security concerns have contributed to the intensification of bilateral relations. The India-Philippines defence and security relationship includes diverse areas of cooperation from joint naval exercises, to capacity building initiatives, regular exchange of views through various dialogue mechanisms and trade in high-tech military hardware. The Marcos Jr. administration seeks to engage with partners such as Japan, India, and France, among others, to counter Chinese aggression in the West Philippine Sea. Therefore, there exists vast potential for further engagement especially in the domain of maritime security and defence industry cooperation.

Detailed Report

The session commenced with opening remarks by Ms. Shruti Pandalai on the recent developments in the India-Philippines defence relationship. Ms. Pandalai made reference to the sale of US $374.96 million worth BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles, expected to be delivered to Philippines by March 2024; extension of a line of credit for defence sales; and the expected posting of India’s defence attaché to Manila. As part of India’s ongoing Long Range Operational Deployment (LROD), INS Kadmatt, a domestically designed and produced anti-submarine warfare (ASW) corvette, was deployed in Manila in December 2023. The ASW corvette took part in a joint exercise with the Philippine Navy’s offshore partol vessel (OPV) BRP Ramon Alcaraz. This intensification of ties was contrasted with a deterioration in Philippines-China relations amid the looming threat of accidental escalation in the South China Sea. Ms. Pandalai noted that several experts are sceptical regarding the ability of the under-equipped Philippine Coast Guard and Navy to hold their own against the PRC’s maritime might. However, the U.S. defence treaty obligations to the Philippines bolster the Philippine defence in the South China Sea, thereby increasing the stakes for the PRC.

Dr. Ao commenced his presentation with a brief outline of the India-Philippines relationship, given the completion of 75 years of diplomatic ties between the two Asian nations. He elucidated that the two states formally established diplomatic relations on 26 November 1949. The geopolitical context of the Cold War dynamics, with a pro-US Philippines and a non-aligned India, hindered the strengthening of the relationship. India’s increased engagement with Southeast Asia post-Cold War, through the formulation of its Look East Policy, worked towards establishment of unique and diverse relationships within the region.

According to Dr. Ao, India’s concerns vis-à-vis the evolving security environment in the Indo-Pacific, as manifest in initiatives such as SAGAR and IPOI, and the Act East Policy, remain limited to maintaining a favourable balance of power in the region. The Philippines approach to the region is routed through ASEAN’s 2019 policy document “ASEAN Outlook on Indo-Pacific” (AOIP). Peace, stability, and predictability are therefore the priorities of Philippines.  The emerging convergences from the geopolitical and geo-economic flux in the region have led to recalibration of relations between external actors (such as India, USA, and China) and Southeast Asian states like the Republic of Philippines. 

Noting the upward trajectory in the India-Philippines bilateral defence relations Dr. Ao highlighted the importance of the BrahMos deal in furthering defence and security ties. Defence relations, although relatively substantive, had hitherto remained rather basic.  The roadmap for defence ties was laid at the first India-Philippines Security Dialogue in 2004, held in Manila. Subsequently, an Agreement for Defence Cooperation was signed in 2006- elevating ties to the strategic level. Establishment of a Joint Defence Cooperation Committee (JDCC) followed, with its first meeting in 2012. The contemporary security relationship between the two is driven by the common pursuit of maritime security, which has gained prominence, with increasing navy-to-navy and coastguard visits and exercises being undertaken.

Dr. Ao argued that the strain in China’s relationship with the Philippines, given the former’s aggression in the South China Sea, has worked to India’s favour. He explored the deterioration in Philippines-China ties through a comparison of the present and previous political dispensation’s handling of Chinese activity in the West Philippine Sea. The Rodrigo Duterte Government had sought a rapprochement with the PRC in the hope of attracting economic investments from the Asian giant amid tensions emanating from the 2016 Arbitral Award. President Marcos Jr., on the contrary, has been a vocal supporter of the 2016 ruling even prior to assuming office. Although there was speculation that Marcos would adopt a balanced approach, increased Chinese aggression in the West Philippine Sea has caused friction between the Philippines Government and the PRC. Dr. Ao noted that the joint statement issued at the 5th India-Philippines Joint Commission on Bilateral Cooperation (2023), is significant as India for the first time explicitly endorsed the 2016 Arbitral Award ruling in favour of Manila. India’s change of stance from a neutral position on the issue, to exhibiting a more outspoken and proactive position on the South China Sea toda, stems not only from ongoing tension with China in the LAC but is also rooted in its need to preserve peace and stability in the region.

Increasing Chinese aggression in the West Philippine Sea has also led to increased US-Philippines defence cooperation. The United States was granted access to four more military bases in the Philippines in 2023 and both sides have increased their joint military exercises.  The two states also held their second joint patrol earlier this year.  Being strategic allies, the US has repeatedly stated that any attack on Philippines, in the South China Sea would invoke the 1951 Mutual Defence Treaty and therefore obligate Washington to defend Manila militarily. Dr. Ao also made mention of Japan’s Reciprocal Access Agreement negotiations with the Government of Philippines.

Dr. Temjenmeren Ao concluded that the defence and security relationship between India and Philippines is on an upward trajectory. He argued that the BrahMos deal is significant for India’s ties with Philippines and the larger region. In his assessment, it could lead to exports of other indigenous military hardware to Manila, and possibly diversify the market to include other Southeast Asian nations.

Questions and Comments

Ambassador Sujan R. Chinoy, Director General MP-IDSA, complimented Dr. Ao for his presentation on a topical issue. He remarked on the role of the Philippines as a lynchpin of America’s projected power in the Indo-Pacific. According to him, the question that arises is therefore of whether the United States can continue to project said power in the region without the support of the Philippines.  Amb. Chinoy also discussed the strain in the bilateral relationship between China and the Philippines amid encroachments by Chinese vessels in the West Philippine Sea. He stated that the US ambiguity and the inconsistent approach of the Philippines towards China warrants a discussion on whether the Philippines can launch a sustainable opposition to the PRC. The Director General further questioned whether the Marcos-Duterte discord will have ramifications that could work in China’s favour. With reference to the evolving India-Philippines relationship, Amb. Chinoy stated that cooperation between the two nations is a given in the current geopolitical context. He suggested counter-terrorism as an avenue of security cooperation given the recent spate of terror attacks in the Philippines. 

The MP-IDSA scholars posed a wide array of questions ranging from possible linkages between the Maoist movements in India and the Philippines, to the shipment of BrahMos batteries. Reference was made to prevalence of piracy and drug smuggling routes in the Malacca Strait and South China Sea. The possibility of policy change in a post-Marcos era was discussed. 

Dr. Temjenmeren Ao provided insightful answers to the questions and comments raised by the Director General and the MP-IDSA scholars. 

Report prepared by Ms. Aditi Dhaundiyal, Intern, Southeast Asia and Oceania Centre, MP-IDSA.

Report of Monday Morning Meeting on Pakistan Factor In India-Turkiye Relations January 29, 2024 Monday Morning Meeting

Mr. Abhishek Yadav, Research Analyst, Manohar Parrikar Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses (MP-IDSA), made a presentation on “Pakistan Factor in India-Turkiye Relations” at the Monday Morning Meeting held on 29 January 2024. Dr. Prasanta Kumar Pradhan, Research Fellow and Coordinator of the West Asia Centre, MP-IDSA, moderated the session. Ambassador Sujan R. Chinoy, Director General, MP-IDSA, and scholars of the Institute attended the meeting.

Executive Summary

India-Turkiye relations witnessed divergence during the Cold War but evolved with growing trade, reaching US$ 13.8 billion in 2022-23. While the bilateral trade and investment is growing in multiple sectors, the Kashmir issue remains a persistent political challenge. Turkiye has been supporting Pakistan on the Kashmir issue. Additionally, defence collaboration is a key element in Pakistan-Turkiye relations, driven by factors like pan-Islamism and neo-Ottomanism, among others. There is a need for course correction from Turkiye to unlock bilateral potential between both G20 economies- India and Turkiye.

Detailed Report

Dr. Prasanta Kumar Pradhan introduced the Speaker and delivered introductory remarks. He then invited the Speaker to make his presentation.

Providing a historical overview of India-Turkiye relations, Mr. Yadav highlighted that diplomatic relations between India and Turkiye were formally established in 1948, which got further strengthened through the signing of the Treaty of Friendship in December 1951, that explicitly articulated the principle of “perpetual peace and friendship” between the two nations. However, Cold War geopolitics led India and Turkiye to adopt different paths as India pursued a policy of non-alignment while Turkiye became a member of the West-led military alliances like the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) and Central Treaty Organisation (CENTO). Nevertheless, the relationship evolved over the decades, as evidenced by agreements signed between the two countries on areas like trade, taxation, tourism and customs cooperation.

Citing relevant statistics, the Speaker underscored that bilateral trade between India and Turkiye has witnessed impressive growth in recent years, rising from US$ 7.2 billion in 2017-18 to over US$ 13.8 billion in 2022-23. Mr. Yadav provided concrete examples and highlighted that while Indian companies have invested in Turkish automobile, pharmaceutical and IT sectors, Turkish companies have invested in Indian infrastructure and engineering industries, illustrating deepening economic cooperation.

The Speaker noted that high-level bilateral visits are an important indicator of the priority accorded by both nations to their relationship. In this context, he referred to Turkiye’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s visit to India in April-May 2017, when both countries signed key agreements on culture, training of diplomats, visa regulations, telecommunication and media tie-ups – underscoring the multi-sectoral focus. Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Turkish President Erdogan reviewed the relationship at the Shanghai Cooperation Organization Summit in Samarkand in September 2022 and the 18th G20 Summit in New Delhi in September 2023, and noted the increase in economic linkages and potential for further enhancement across sectors. Mr. Yadav also highlighted India’s prompt supply of humanitarian assistance under Operation Dost following Turkiye’s devastating earthquakes in February 2023 as a marker of bilateral cooperation and solidarity expressed by India.

Mr. Yadav spoke at length about the issues on which the two countries have differing viewpoints. He pointed out that Turkiye has consistently echoed Pakistan’s stance on the Kashmir issue. Turkish leaders’ remarks on Kashmir have also sparked diplomatic tensions especially after the abrogation of Article 370 of the Indian Constitution, given India’s firm stand that Jammu and Kashmir (J&K) is an integral and inalienable part of India. Mr. Yadav highlighted that multilateral platforms like the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) had witnessed coordinated efforts by Turkiye and Pakistan to internationalise the Kashmir matter also through its OIC Contact Group on J&K. Trilateral partnerships between Pakistan, Turkiye and Azerbaijan have also emerged, which is demonstrated in joint military exercises and alignment on issues like Kashmir. The Speaker emphasised that Kashmir remains a principal point of divergence that has strained political relations.

According to the Speaker, defence cooperation is a key element catalysing the Pakistan-Turkiye strategic relationship. He enumerated various facets of cooperation in defence, including the purchase of Turkish naval vessels, helicopters and armed drones by Pakistan, assistance by Turkiye to upgrade Pakistani submarines and fighter aircraft, and the conduct of joint exercises and training. Mr. Yadav highlighted that the expanding defence collaboration has introduced an additional variable in the triangular dynamic between India, Pakistan and Turkiye.

Analysing the factors shaping Turkiye’s foreign policy orientation towards Pakistan, the Speaker identified elements like pan-Islamism, Neo-Ottoman ambitions to reclaim Turkiye’s historical glory and geopoliticalinfluence, and the strategic relevance of partnerships with countries like Pakistan on issues ranging from Kashmir to defence technology as key motivations. He pointed out that Islamic solidarity, historical legacy and contemporary policy priorities make Pakistan a coveted geopolitical partner for Turkiye. 

In conclusion, the Speaker observed that while India and Turkiye, as prominent G20 economies, have promising potential for cooperation across diverse sectors, Turkiye’s alignment with Pakistan on India’s internal affairs like Jammu and Kashmir has introduced certain complexities in bilateral ties. Mr. Yadav opined that notwithstanding the volume of trade, Turkiye’s partnership with Pakistan is driven by a multifaceted interplay of factors encompassing history, religious affinities, realpolitik considerations and global ideological postures. A course correction by Turkiye on Kashmir would likely contribute to a more balanced and constructive environment, fostering stronger ties between India and Turkiye. In summation, the Speaker highlighted that pragmatic diplomacy focused on mutual understanding and identification of shared interests would be imperative for India and Turkiye to fully harness the potential of their bilateral relations given the geopolitical intricacies at play.

Questions and Comments

Ambassador Sujan R. Chinoy highlighted the historical and contemporary factors shaping bilateral relations between India and Turkiye. He mentioned the role of Indian troops, including Sikhs, Gurkhas, Muslims and Hindus, as part of the British force during the Gallipoli campaign. He outlined Indian support in the 1920s to Turkiye’s War of Independence, which led to the formation of the Turkish Republic. Mahatma Gandhi himself took a stand against the injustices inflicted on Turkiye at the end of World War I. Amb. Chinoy remarked that Turkiye has been raising the Kashmir issue and trying to seek a dominant leadership position in the OIC. He provided the Indian Government’s perspective on Cyprus and touched upon the dynamics of Turkish drones.

Dr. Deepika Saraswat, Associate Fellow, West Asia Centre, highlighted the geo-economics and geopolitics of economic corridors and subsequent Indian and Turkish response. Dr. Ashok K. Behuria, Senior Fellow, South Asia Centre, emphasised the rise of Erdogan’s leadership in Turkiye and noted surge in business-to-business relations between India and Turkiye. He also touched upon the significance of Turkish drones, Turkiye’s position on J&K and Turkiye’s soft power outreach in Pakistan, as evidenced by Turkish TV drama Ertugrul. Dr. Rajiv Nayan, Senior Research Associate, Nuclear and Arms Control Centre, mentioned about Turkiye’s unique geographical and geopolitical position and its distinct way of leveraging gains from both the West and Russia. He suggested that India will have to shed its classical approach to engage with Turkiye.

After the Q&A session, the Chair gave his closing remarks and ended the meeting.

The Report was prepared by Ms. Gayathri Pramod Panamoottil, Intern, West Asia Centre.

Interaction with Dr. Andreas Østhagen, from Fridtjof Nansen Institute (FNI), Oslo, Norway January 19, 2024 Other

MP-IDSA organised an interaction with Dr. Andreas Østhagen, Senior Researcher, Arctic, Ocean and Russia programme from Fridtjof Nansen Institute (FNI), Oslo, Norway on Friday, 19 January 2024. The theme of discussion was 'Emerging Geopolitics in the Arctic'. The Director General, MP-IDSA, Ambassador Sujan R. Chinoy chaired the Session.

Executive Summary

The session covered issues on the geopolitics of the Arctic, highlighting Norway's role. The Speaker explored various aspects, including resources, routes, and climate change, and discussed emerging players. Emphasis was placed on governance through the Law of the Sea and the Arctic Council, with a mention of India's role in the region.

Detailed Report

In his opening remarks, Director General, Ambassador Sujan R. Chinoy welcomed Dr. Andreas Østhagen and Ms. Filippa Braarud, Second Secretary from the Royal Norwegian Embassy, New Delhi. Amb. Chinoy highlighted that India's connection with the Arctic region dates back to 1920 with the signing of the Spitsbergen Treaty.  He emphasised that India remains concerned regarding the geopolitical developments in the Arctic that have significantly impacted existing cooperation between states. He further mentioned that though the western states have terminated the existing cooperation with Russia, it is important to note that Russia accounts for more than 50 percent of the coastal extent in the region. He mentioned that despite strong western pressures India maintains strong bilateral relations with Russia. He further highlighted that India’s interest in the Arctic remains primarily scientific, unlike China that has larger economic and geostrategic objectives in the region. Ambassador Chinoy pointed out that India’s interests in the Arctic are in tandem with its partners and acknowledged Norway’s role in strengthening India’s scientific research in the Arctic. He mentioned that the Arctic offers multiple opportunities in the near future, for both India and Norway to deepen their bilateral cooperation in the region. 

Dr. Østhagen highlighted that the primary purpose of his visit is to establish connections for future collaboration and gain a deeper understanding of India's viewpoints and interests in the Arctic. He acknowledged India's growing role in the region and on the global stage as a significant power. Examining regional complexities and nuances, he pointed out that the Arctic extends beyond commonly considered factors like climate change, shipping routes, resources, and territory. He mentioned that though climate change and scientific research remain major drivers of states’ engagements in the region, there are several common myths about the Arctic that need to be noted. Dr. Østhagen  mentioned that there are no territorial issues between states in the Arctic and the only issues existing are with regard to extended maritime claims of states in the region. He pointed out that the resources estimates in the Arctic are overexaggerated and extraction of hydrocarbons and other form of minerals from the region is difficult and expensive. Similarly, he mentioned that despite Russia’s emphasis on the development of the Northern Sea Route (NSR) as a future shipping route, there will remain several navigational challenges.

In the second part of his presentation Dr. Østhagen highlighted China’s increasing role in the Arctic, and asserted that this remains a cause of concerns for all seven Arctic states. He highlighted that these concerns are further elevated by the Russia-China emerging partnership. He further stressed that Russia’s dependency on China is significantly increasing, that further adds to western countries concerns. He talked about the US-Canada maritime disputes in the region and highlighted the recent US unilateral action of claiming extended continental shelf claims in the Bering Sea and central Arctic Ocean.  Dr. Østhagen mentioned that there are no  maritime issues between the US and Russia in the Arctic. He highlighted that the maritime borders between both these states remain demarcated by the 1990 US-Soviet Agreement.

In the final part of his presentation, Dr. Østhagen gave an overview of the Arctic Council. He mentioned that though the Arctic Council is not the ‘only’ existing mechanism for Arctic governance, Norway’s core concern under its chairship is to keep the Arctic Council alive and going. He highlighted Russia’s nuclear capabilities in the North and mentioned that Russia is undertaking large scale military exercises in the region. Dr. Østhagen emphasised that with the Russia-China emerging threat perception in the Bering Sea, US is taking advanced measures to protect its interests in the region.

Amb. Sujan Chinoy acknowledged China’s emerging geo-economic and geo-strategic interest in the Arctic. He emphasised that as India’s interests in the Polar Regions increase, there is a serious need to focus on developing India’s independent infrastructure capabilities in these regions.

Dr. Uttam Kumar Sinha, Senior Fellow and Coordinator, Non- Traditional Security Centre underscored the need to look beyond Arctic politics and recognise the importance of scientific exploration. He asked a question about the future role that Norway intends to play in the Arctic Council under its chairship.

Questions and Comments

Mr. Bipandeep Sharma, Research Analyst enquired about the implications of the United States unilateral action for making extended continental claims in the Arctic. He questioned the validity of these claims and highlighted that US despite not ratifying UNCLOS has made these claims, that could have counter responses from Russia. He also asked a question regarding Norway’s parliamentary decision on opening up of the deep seabed mining in the Arctic and its implications from environmental perspectives.

Dr. Rajorshi Roy, Associate Fellow, enquired about the Arctic States response to transboundary resource management. 

Commandant M. Srivastav, Research Fellow, discussed the prospects of opening up of the  Central Passage in the Arctic. He raised questions regarding the rationale behind creating new shipping routes and its impact on climate change. Additionally, he inquired about Norway's view on China's expanding interest, particularly observed in its second Belt and Road Forum in 2019. He further asked about China’s emerging collaboration with Russia on the North Sea Route (NSR) within China's Silk Road initiative.

Dr. Swasti Rao, Associate Fellow, inquired about Norway's approach to addressing tensions in the Arctic while holding the Arctic Chair. She sought insights into Norway's perception, highlighting the need to sustain cooperation with Russia for the Council's success, alongside considerations of the region's securitisation.

Dr. Jason Wahlang, Research Analyst, raised inquiries regarding the geopolitical complexities affecting countries like Kazakhstan, especially in their attempts to diversify trade routes.

Ms. Filippa Braarud, Second Secretary, Royal Norwegian Embassy, New Delhi, stressed the importance of maintaining Arctic stability. She highlighted the extensive scientific cooperation with India, particularly focusing on the research operations in the Arctic. Ms. Braarud also mentioned the common challenges with regard to the coastal management of Norway and India. Lastly, she emphasised the significance of policy formulation through scientific cooperation in the region.

Dr. Østhagen responded to the comments and questions and stated that the Arctic Council will endure amid tensions. He highlighted Russia's shift toward China due to diversification of Arctic interests. He highlighted that Norway is adopting a pragmatic approach in balancing relations with Russia and NATO. He mentioned that the recent US claim on the extended continental shelf raises concerns. He further elaborated that the collective Western presence driven by the US and UK, is expected to increase military activity in the Arctic in response to Russia's remilitarisation. He concluded by stating that the Arctic experiences short-term tensions but holds long-term strategic investment potential.

The report has been prepared by Ms. Simran Rathore, Research Intern, Non-Traditional Security Centre, MP-IDSA, New Delhi.

Event Report on The Prospect Foundation Delegation Visit to MP-IDSA January 18, 2024 Round Table

On 18 January 2024, the Manohar Parrikar Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses (MP-IDSA) organised an interactive session with The Prospect Foundation, Taiwan. The delegation from The Prospect Foundation was led by Dr. I-Chung Lai, President, The Prospect Foundation and the session was chaired by DG, MP-IDSA, Amb. Sujan R. Chinoy.  The discussion was followed by Q&A.

Detailed Report

The session began with opening remarks from DG, MP-IDSA, Amb. Sujan R. Chinoy. He observed that it is striking that Taiwan has gone into coalition politics and opined that this arrangement is likely to raise certain challenges in the legislature. Enquiring about Taiwanese perception about the election he invited Dr. I-Chung Lai to express his views on a range of issues including resurgence of Kuomintang (KMT) Party in the recent elections, Democratic People’s Party (DPP) and KMT’s present attitude towards the 1992 consensus, One China policy and potential reunification with China. Amb. Chinoy also asked Dr. Lai about Taiwanese understanding of the United States (US)’ commitment towards Taiwan’s defence in the light of present tensions, the unacceptable means of reunification for Taiwan, probable Japanese position in an event of crisis in Taiwan Straits and reversal of recognition of Taiwan by Nauru.  

Thanking Amb. Chinoy for his observations, Dr. I-Chung Lai expressed that the delegation visit reflected India’s importance in Taiwan’s strategy and Taipei’s intention to convey to New Delhi, its strategic outlook and plans for India-Taiwan ties post the elections.

Elaborating on Taiwan election results he contented that while William Lai Ching-te received forty percent of the votes, it did not mean that the other sixty percent opposed him. The Chinese interpretation that William Lai Ching-te’s position on China-Taiwan ties represents a minority view is incorrect. He emphasised that the election results do not reflect how Taiwanese feel about China-Taiwan relations. Commenting on the 1992 consensus, which is favoured by China, Dr. Lai informed that majority of the Taiwanese consider the consensus as a thing of past, especially after President Tsai Ing-wen declared in a public address in 2019 that Taiwan never accepted the 1992 consensus. He contended that future cross strait politics will have to take the general public view into consideration as Taiwan is a democracy.

With regard to US policy towards Taiwan, Dr. Lai, citing the Taiwan Relations Act and US’ Six Assurances to Taiwan, asserted that US does not recognise Taiwan as part of PRC. On Nauru’s breaking off of diplomatic ties, he opined that it demonstrated continuation of PRC’s coercion politics vis-à-vis Taiwan. He observed that Taiwan’s national strength and international standing will not be affected due to Nauru’s actions and that Taiwan will not engage in chequebook diplomacy to gain diplomatic recognition. Dr. Lai observed that the Beijing Government is unlikely to change its policy towards Taiwan, recognising the new political reality. However, due to China’s own internal economic troubles, interest in stabilising ties with the US and lack of military capability to launch invasion on Taiwan, the possibility of military conflict with Taiwan at present is low. Touching briefly on Japan’s position on Taiwan contingency, Dr. Lai opined that although Tokyo will be compelled to act due to alliance commitment with the US and threats perceived to its own security, the extent of Japan’s involvement in active combat scenario is uncertain. He concluded by stating that developing relations with powerful and friendly countries remains top priority for Taiwan.

Following, Dr. Lai’s presentation, Amb. Chinoy queried whether DPP still subscribed to the notion of ‘One China’ and whether Taiwan continues to engage in developmental activities with the countries who sever diplomatic ties with Taipei.

Responding to these questions, Dr. Lai informed that the idea of ‘One China’ was once temporarily entertained to facilitate cooperation between Republic of China (ROC) and PRC. However, PRC’s interpretation of ‘One China’ policy is unacceptable to Taiwan. With regard to Taiwan-Nauru ties, he informed that the future of bilateral cooperation depends on Nauru’s future reaction because there is precedent in Taiwan to continue programme assistance to countries who broke off diplomatic ties.

Finally, Amb. Chinoy enquired about Chinese goals in eschewing military tensions of the type seen in the aftermath of Nancy Pelosi’s visit. Dr. Lai affirmed that improving diplomatic ties with the US is one of the major goals. Also, as the repercussions to trade which happened due to the military blockade was serious, Beijing and other major powers like the US and Japan are reluctant to let escalate tensions to that level.

Mr. Fei Fan Lin, member of the delegation, concurred with Dr. Lai’s observations about lack of public support for the 1992 consensus in Taiwan. He informed that the Taiwanese consider ROC, Taiwan to be an independent sovereign and perceive no need to declare independence again.

Following the exchange, the Chair then opened the floor for question-and-answer session.

Q&A Session

A question from the Indian side concerned the issue of national identity in Taiwan, and the possibility of a ‘reconciliation of hearts’ between the Chinese and Taiwanese people. To this question, Dr. Lai answered by explaining that due to the internationalisation of the cross-Strait issue, other countries, such as Japan, the Republic of Korea, the Philippines and Australia, not to mention the United States, have a voice in the resolution of any conflict, and the cross- Strait dispute is no longer a binary one between opposing regimes. He also noted that China’s perception of Taiwan is that it is a vehicle to contain China with the collaboration of the United States. Mr. Lin also added to the answer to the above question by noting that President Tsai Ing-Wen had been careful during her tenure to cultivate a stance of equivocating Taiwan with the ROC. He noted that this was a stance the majority of Taiwanese people support and approve of. In response to another question on the impact of a US-China thaw on Taiwan in the coming four years, Dr. Lai noted that the cross-Strait issue is no longer dependent on the US-China-Taiwan trilateral, but has become truly internationalised. As evidence, he offered the new recognitions afforded to the importance of Taiwan by the leaders of Japan, the Republic of Korea, Australia and the Philippines, as well as by democracies in Europe.

Another question from the Indian side concerned the movements of the youth vote in the recently-concluded general election, and whether the return of the DPP to power indicated support among the young for independence. Mr. Lin provided the answer to this question, informing the audience that the DPP had always embraced support from the youth. However, the reason the current election has thrown up surprising results (election of the DPP on forty percent vote share, emergence of the TPP as a third force) is because voters were in general fatigued by establishment parties such as the DPP and KMT. They were not concerned by national security issues, but instead voted on bread-and-butter issues such as housing prices and costs of living. Mr. Lin argued that the TPP, despite the high rates of support it received, does not have a positive policy platform, and revealed that the DPP is well aware of the need to bring back young voters to the DPP.

Members of the Indian side also inquired about whether China had succeeded in the general election in using disinformation and economic coercion to swing votes. By way of an answer, the Taiwanese side presented a mixed picture. In the field of economic coercion they were willing to concede that there was some limited effect of the suspension of tariff benefits accruing to trade with Taiwan under the ECFA signed with China, but noted that the impact was limited as the share of exports to China from Taiwan are declining as the New Southbound Policy diversified destinations for Taiwanese goods, with marked increases noted in trade with the US, Japan, ROK and Europe. India was held out by the Taiwanese side as a new frontier where trade opportunities could be diversified in future. Disinformation, however, has been successful in the assessment by the Taiwanese side, with Chinese-origin propaganda deepening divides in society that have only partially been filled.

In terms of future concerns, the Taiwanese side flagged two issues in particular: worries that the KMT, which has majorities in both the national legislature and municipalities, would pursue independent (party-level) negotiations with the CPC; and the legal hurdles standing in the way of repealing or renegotiating important economic agreements with the mainland to counter economic coercion.

A final query from the Indian side concerned the prospects for US-Taiwan defence cooperation in light of the recent election results. In his answer to the question, Dr. Lai asserted that the impact on US-Taiwan defence ties would become clearer when the identity of the incoming speaker and vice-speaker of the central legislature (the Legislative Yuan) becomes clear. However, he believed, existing projects such as Taiwan’s indigenous submarine programme would continue irrespective of the party in charge.

Before concluding, Amb. Chinoy took the opportunity to ask a set of questions to the Taiwanese side. Firstly, he inquired about the impact of Donald Trump returning to power in the US in 2024. Dr. Lai answered briefly that Taiwan enjoys bipartisan consensus in the US, and that the previous Trump administration’s record on Taiwan was very good, with several initiatives carried forward by the Biden administration. As such, there was no reason for concern.

Secondly, Amb. Chinoy inquired as to the Taiwanese side’s assessment of the US response should China attempt to occupy only the outlying islands such as Jinmen or Matsu. Dr. Lai said that whereas the Pescadores Islands are covered under the US-Taiwan Mutual Defence Treaty and the Taiwan Relations Act, Quemoy and Matsu are grey areas. In any case, he noted that an occupation of these islands would be sure to meet an armed response from Taiwan. However, the US response, if any, would be contingent on circumstances.

Finally, Amb. Chinoy inquired whether there had been any risk assessment of the possibility that Xi Jinping’s China Dream 2049 project would be incomplete without reunification with Taiwan, with the implication that he would take action before that date to ensure reunification. Dr. Lai answered that discussions in Taiwan on the China Dream are divided into two camps, one arguing that the China Dream must be completed before reunification is to be attempted, whereas the other argues that reunification is a necessary precondition to the China Dream. However, the COVID-19 pandemic’s impact on the Chinese economy has put a dent in Xi Jinping’s purported legitimacy, which is predicated on continuous economic growth. Dr. Lai held that the China Dream is Xi’s personal project, not a “sacred manifesto” on the lines of Mao Zedong and Deng Xiaoping’s policies, which were party lines followed by all members of the government. As such, should Xi leave the stage in China, there is no guarantee that his successor would follow through on it.

After the conclusion of the question-and-answer session, the Chair declared an end to the meeting.

Report on the Visit of Delegation from the Polish Centre for Eastern Studies (OSW) January 16, 2024 Other

The Manohar Parrikar Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses (MP-IDSA) organised an interaction with the delegation from the Polish Centre for Eastern Studies (OSW) on 16 January 2024. Ambassador Sujan R. Chinoy, Director General, MP-IDSA, chaired the session.

Executive Summary

International developments in the last couple of years, mainly the Russia-Ukraine war and the recent Israel-Hamas conflict have raised concerns over global peace and security. These issues have highlighted the inability of international organisations to cooperate on matters of growing relevance in the post-pandemic era. Two factors which are crucial to understanding these developments are – the relationship between the former superpowers and China’s growing influence. The interaction between the delegation from OSW and scholars from MP-IDSA facilitated a fruitful exchange of Indian and Polish views on such matters of importance, providing valuable insights for both parties.

Detailed Report

In the opening remarks, the Chair, Amb. Sujan Chinoy began by briefly addressing India’s perspective on the unfolding geopolitics around the globe, identifying various divisions, which for instance, have led to weaponisation of trade and technology. The nature of power contestation in recent times and the inability of the United Nations (UN) to deliver on issues of development, peace, and security was also stressed upon. Further, he highlighted the difficulties in international institutions like the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund (IMF), and the World Trade Organization (WTO) working collectively to develop consensus on issues of greater significance in post-pandemic times.

Amb. Chinoy also stated that the G20, under the Indian Presidency in 2023, was a “dream team”.  He lauded the unanimous adoption of the G20 New Delhi Leaders’ Declaration. The grouping successfully focused on developmental, financial, and economic issues as it ought to, rather than being hindered by political matters, which do not fall in its ambit. It is also more inclusive in nature than the G7 as it comprises the members of the Quad, BRICS, IPSA and other such groupings.

Regarding the Russia-Ukraine War, the Chair referred to India’s special relations with Russia while also expressing India’s distress vis-à-vis the loss of lives since the start of the war. India has provided humanitarian assistance to the people of Ukraine and has engaged with both sides. Putting forth his viewpoint, the Chair mentioned that this war is likely to last a while.

Concerning recent developments in the Israel-Hamas conflict, Amb. Chinoy stressed on India’s good relations with both Israel and Palestine and that it continues to send humanitarian aid to the Palestinians, including through the United Nations Relief and Work Agency (UNRWA). Terrorism remains one of the key concerns for India, as the country has been on its receiving end for a long time. The Chair also expressed India’s concern over the humanitarian catastrophe unfolding in the region, which is unlikely to end soon. He further added that Hamas has got deep roots in the region and that there is a likelihood that the Houthis, Hezbollah, or other nation-states, might get directly or indirectly embroiled in the conflict.

With growth and prosperity spreading to wider regions of Southeast Asia, South Asia and the littoral countries in the Indian Ocean, particularly the East Coast of Africa, Amb. Chinoy indicated that the notion of Indo-Pacific has replaced the Asia-Pacific. The former is a much clearer reflection of today’s changing balance of power.  It is more inclusive, democratic, and in tune with the growing aspirations of a much wider arc of geographical space. Thus, the Indo-Pacific harbours the potential for a greater participatory and inclusive architecture.

Reflecting on the US-China tussle, Amb. Chinoy highlighted that the dialogue has resumed for the sake of stability, but relations will continue to manifest various tensions, as some fundamental discrepancies and divergences may arise. He believes that the Chinese are mindful of the potential derailment of their own long-term plans, were they to take any hasty decisions with regard to Taiwan or continue to exhibit the same level of unilateralism, militarization and aggressive behaviour.

Highlighting the growing engagement and a degree of mutual interdependence between Russia and China, the Chair averred that the Russian Federation is not very happy to play the role of an underdog all the time, to a country which has learnt virtually everything from the Russians in the past. He mentioned the difference in how Russia and China challenge the existing international order, where China influences the world order more directly. China is trying to curate parallel orders - for example, through the expansion of BRICS, New Development Bank of BRICS, or their own sovereign lending and banking institutions.

Wojciech Konończuk, Director of OSW, contributed to the discussion by highlighting Poland's priorities in the European context. He mentioned that Poland’s viewpoint is different from India’s. This is mainly due to the difference in their geographical locations, leading to a difference in how both countries percieve recent international developments. It is essential for Poland to focus on the evolution of Russia-China relations. He emphasised that the Poles view the Russian invasion against Ukraine as a war with far reaching global consequences and called it an existential issue for Poland. He noted that the outcome of this war will have a direct impact on the order in the European continent as Russian ambitions go far beyond Ukraine. It is aimed at recovering parts of the former Soviet Union territory and for that it wants to destroy the international order which created Eastern Europe from the collapse of the Soviet Union. Mr. Konończuk agreed that this war will not end soon, even though the initial Russian plan was to end the war in a couple of weeks.

Marek Menkiszak, Head of Russian Department at OSW, noted that Russian policies have a deep interlink between Russia’s internal system and its foreign security policy, which are focused on regime survival. The Russian regime, which went from half-democratic to the current neo-totalitarian, believes that the increase of their sphere of influence in the post-Soviet region is a matter of regime survival. According to Mr. Menkiszak, Russia believes that the West - led by the US - is an existential threat to the regime. Thus, the former is trying to diminish the latter to develop a post-western world order, and is trying to change the status quo using its military capabilities. In achieving this goal, Russia sees China as a necessary ally and aims to avoid any conflict with China. Moscow also seems to believe that making it an indispensable partner to Beijing will create a situation wherein they will have strategic autonomy vis-à-vis Beijing; while enjoying the gains from US-China conflict.

Jakub Jakóbowski, Deputy Director at OSW, shared his insights on how the Chinese view their relationship with Russia, since its full-scale invasion of Ukraine. According to him, the Chinese believe that Russians can achieve their goals, but at a much higher cost. This will lead to a diminished Russia in Russia-China relations and would establish a precedent to undermine the US based security system by force.  In this, Russia is ready to play second to China as it sees China as the lone partner in its fight against the West. He also highlighted that one must focus on China’s original plan of action and not get carried away by the opinion it voices on the world stage. He ended by putting forth the question of – how to engage with India in dialogue and what kind of strategic choices might India make in the Indo-Pacific and European theatre.

Responding to some points raised by the speakers, Amb. Chinoy highlighted that regime survival is not a characteristic of authoritarian states alone but that of democracies too. Any government can be called a regime. However, in this discourse some identify regimes with what they think are more authoritarian states. He also mentioned that global orders cannot be created nor dismantled easily. It is not possible to forge a post-World War II world order, which will be very different from what we have today. A new world order by Russia might not be possible without the destruction of all.

India does not challenge the international order that has been in place since World War II. It is more concerned with the lack of reforms. According to Amb. Chinoy, China is also not seeking the reversal of this order altogether, as it has been a major beneficiary of the same. In his view, Russians are in a reactive mode, whereas the Chinese are in a proactive mode in terms of their actions and policies in international relations. He also urged that we must not forgo the possibility of a reset of US-Russia relations, as there are greater structural similarities in US-Russia relations than Russia-China. In fact, the chances of a post-Putin Russia turning democratic are statistically far greater than that of China, owing to the Chinese Confucius thinking and the communist party.

With regard to India-China, Amb. Chinoy mentioned that India has dealt with military threats to its sovereignty and territorial integrity on its own. It is also less likely to directly join in any conflicts in the Taiwan Strait or the South China Sea in the near future.

Witold Rodkiewicz, Senior Fellow at OSW, pointed out that Russian elites have a completely different view of China. According to him, the Russians admire China. They believe that China managed to do something that Russia failed at. Earlier we have seen Russia turn towards the west, when it befriended the US and now it is turning towards the east, befriending China. Russia cannot afford to have problems with its crucial ally, like it did during the cold war times, thereby deciding to make itself indispensable to China. In all of this, we need to realise that in current times, Russia ties Europe with the US or the western theatre.

Q&A

The interaction was followed by a Q&A session, in which questions regarding Russia-China relations, India-Russia relations, polarisation of Europe, Russian and Chinese role in Central Asia, and the Polish Vs European debate on China, were posed.

The Polish delegation members answered different questions, based on their expertise. They pointed out that the strategic interests of Russia and China are much bigger than any tensions between them. Initially the Russians tried to oppose the BRI but when they couldn’t anymore, they joined it. The Russia-China partnership is based on the need of the hour and the European mindset sees this partnership as immune to any third-party intrusions.

Central Asia is a working condominium, where Russia has accepted the growing economic influence of China. They also emphasised on Russia’s three strategic goals in Europe – to gain strategic control over the post-Soviet area, to create a security buffer zone in Central Europe, and to drastically reduce US influence in Europe.

The delegation members also mentioned that Poland does not have an independent Indo-Pacific strategy. It actively contributes to European efforts in the region and wants to do as much as possible. The delegation emphasised on the need for India and Europe, especially Poland, to engage more actively, given the Indo-Pacific theatre sees a convergence of interests of all the three parties. 

Report has been prepared by Ms. Anusua Ganguly, Intern, Europe and Eurasia Centre.

Report on Interaction with a European Parliament Delegation December 18, 2023 Other

The Manohar Parrikar Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses (MP-IDSA) organised an interaction with a European Parliament Delegation on 18 December 2023. The session was chaired by Director General, Ambassador Sujan R. Chinoy. Scholars of the Institute participated in the discussion.

Executive Summary

India and the European Union (EU) are key strategic partners. Amidst a world in flux, there is space for expanding the scope of ties.

Detailed Report

In his opening remarks, Ambassador Sujan Chinoy highlighted the world being in a state of flux amidst the fraying of globalisation. He observed that multilateral institutions have been underperforming, including the United Nations. He felt that a weakened multilateral system does not bode well for global growth, especially in the Global South where a large number of countries are grappling with financial distress in the aftermath of the pandemic and the war in Ukraine. This has put the spotlight on regionalism and minilateralism.

Amb. Chinoy observed that China’s rise has been disruptive and that Beijing has benefitted from the current international order. Today, China appears to be riding two horses - one where it wants to exist in the current world order, which it benefits from, while also being simultaneously critical of the same order, largely due to the order being led by the West and based on Western agendas.

Amb. Chinoy highlighted the emerging global contestation anchored to the seven “Ts”. These include Trade, Technology, Territory, Terrorism, Tenants (Narratives), Transparency and Trust. He also highlighted the global vulnerabilities in the four “Fs” - Food, Fuel, Fertilizer and Finance.

Elaborating further, Amb. Chinoy observed that trade and technology have been increasingly weaponised. Territorial contestations too are on the rise. These include the ongoing situation in Europe and India’s border standoff with China. Similarly, there is friction over systems of economic, social, cultural and developmental governance which has led to a clash of narratives. Meanwhile, there also exists trust deficit amidst a lack of transparency of certain countries' motivations and intentions.

Amb. Chinoy emphasised that China’s ambition of achieving the ‘China Dream’ by 2049 may not come to fruition unless the Taiwan reunification issue is addressed.

Highlighting the ongoing developments in the Indo-Pacific, Amb. Chinoy referred to the presence of European countries, particularly France which he pointed out has a natural geographical presence in the region. He also referred to Germany and the United Kingdom staging a comeback in the Indo-Pacific. He observed that extra-regional powers too are stakeholders in the Indo-Pacific. Therefore, it is wrong for China to claim that Asia is exclusively for Asians.

Amb. Chinoy emphasised that ‘Asia-Pacific’ is an outdated concept. In comparison, Indo-Pacific is a more contemporary and inclusive concept. It reflects a natural transition to a broader definition of growth and development in an arc that extends all the way from the Pacific Rim to the east coast of Africa.

Amb. Chinoy observed that India today has emerged as one of the fastest-growing large economies in the world. India is undergoing rapid transformation, underlined by the overall theme of VIKAS. India’s choices at home and its international priorities form part of a seamless continuum that are firmly anchored in India’s transformational goals. Good relations with neighbours - both immediate and extended - are a priority of India’s foreign policy. The country’s emergence as a key regional and global power is predicated on how effectively it manages its own periphery.

Amb. Chinoy emphasised that India is not guided by zero-sum calculations but by the desire to work with all and to resolve global problems in a cooperative spirit. This includes the scourge of terrorism, particularly cross-border terrorism, which has long affected India but which also poses a threat to others in India’s neighbourhood as well as globally. India’s collaborative outlook has translated into a framework of strategic autonomy based on multi-alignment. And robust military power is a prerequisite for exercising greater strategic autonomy.

Amb. Chinoy pointed out that India increasingly represents the voice of the ‘Global South’. India’s G20 Presidency successfully brought back the spotlight on developmental issues which is the core mandate of the grouping.

Amb. Chinoy highlighted India’s neutrality in the war in Ukraine while also providing humanitarian aid to the people affected by the war. Similarly, he elaborated on India’s support to the two-state solution in the ongoing conflict in West Asia. He observed that New Delhi has maintained excellent relations with Israel while also providing humanitarian aid to Palestine.

Amb. Chinoy emphasised that India is seeking to deepen strategic partnerships, including in the defence sector, with members of the European Union. He felt that the EU should factor in India’s sensitivities regarding the EU Code of Conduct on Arms Exports. He concluded by highlighting the need to establish robust contacts between Indian and European think tanks.

Nathalie Loiseau (Renew, France), who was leading the EU delegation, highlighted the ‘convergence of views’ between India and the European Union on China's assertive rise.  She also referred to the mutual consensus on the need to ‘reorganise’ the weakened global multilateral institutions.

Ms. Loiseau highlighted the emerging ‘fight’ between autocracies and democracies and reflected on the parallels between Russia’s aggression in Ukraine and China’s aggressive posture towards Taiwan.

Ms. Loiseau also highlighted the issue of migration to Europe as well as EU’s toolkit in dealing with hybrid threats.

She posed a question on how India sees the situation evolving in the Red Sea and whether India would be involved in resolving it.

Patrick Berg (ECR, Germany) posed the following two questions:

1. Prospects of India-EU relations with regard to connectivity and EU’s Global Gateway project.

2. Dynamics of BRICS enlargement and the grouping’s future prospects.  

Jaak Madison (ID, Estonia) enquired about China’s electronic warfare and intelligence gathering in the region.

Petras Auštrevičius (Renew, Lithuania) posed the following two questions:

1. Rationale of India’s BRICS and Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) membership.

2. India’s position on conflicts in Afghanistan and Yemen.

Fabio Massimo Castaldo’s (NI, Italy) enquired about the China-Cambodia Naval base, whether China would be more assertive in the future and the prospects of India-EU relations.

Amb. Sujan Chinoy responded to these questions. He stated that the situation in the Red Sea is a matter of grave concern, especially in the event of disruption to commercial shipping. He observed that any disruption to this vital sea line of communication would be felt across the world. He pointed out that India has naval assets in the Gulf of Aden by virtue of being a part of the ‘SHADE’ mechanism. India also conducts anti-piracy operations and assists in escorting ships as part of these operations. There is, nevertheless, scope for India to expand collaboration with like-minded countries.

On BRICS expansion, Amb. Chinoy pointed out that six countries (Saudi Arabia, Iran, UAE, Egypt, Ethiopia, and Argentina) have recently joined the grouping. Together, they add US$ 2.9 trillion worth of GDP to BRICS with the grouping’s overall GDP now being US$ 30 trillion.

On G20, he observed that G20’s overall GDP was US$ 85 trillion before the inclusion of the African Union (AU). The AU’s addition has not only added US$ 3 trillion to the G20’s portfolio but also made it more representative.

On BRICS and SCO, Amb. Chinoy observed that India’s outlook is anchored to issue-based partnerships.

On developments in Afghanistan, Amb. Chinoy highlighted Taliban’s comeback which he pointed out has significant ramifications. He, however, also emphasised the need to ‘live with reality’. He focussed on the need to convince the Taliban to preserve the gains of the last two decades including democracy and the rights of minorities, women and children.

On the issue of Chinese naval base in Cambodia, it was pointed out that China’s foray in Cambodia is part of Beijing’s larger attempts to expand its regional geo-strategic footprints.

On expanding the scope of India-EU partnership, it was pointed out that connectivity projects hold significant potential. It was felt that the India-Middle East-Europe Economic Corridor (IMEC), while currently on the back burner due to the conflict in West Asia, should not be written-off. Similarly, there is potential for expanding collaboration in industrial and defence industry sectors. Moreover, green hydrogen and green energy offer new areas of India-EU collaboration.

(Report prepared by Dr. Jason Wahlang, Research Analyst, Europe and Eurasia Centre, MP-IDSA)

Monday Morning Meeting Report: Semiconductor Global Supply Chains: An Introduction January 15, 2024 Monday Morning Meeting

Lt. Col. Akshat Upadhyay, Research Fellow, Manohar Parrikar Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses, made a presentation on the “Semiconductor Global Supply Chains: An Introduction” at the Monday Morning Meeting held on 15 January 2024. Dr. Cherian Samuel, Research Fellow, MP-IDSA, moderated the session. Ambassador Sujan R. Chinoy, the Director General of MP-IDSA, and scholars of the Institute were in attendance.

Executive Summary

The presentation summarised the global semiconductor industry and the geopolitical tensions surrounding it. Similar to other technologies, semiconductors initially served military purposes before becoming integrated into broader societal applications. The presentation also delved into the concise history of semiconductor technology, its significance, various types of semiconductors, and the geopolitical implications surrounding them.

Detailed Report

The Session commenced with Dr. Samuel’s introductory remarks highlighting the extensive utilization of semiconductors, tracing back their origins in military applications. He emphasised Taiwan's significance in the global semiconductor industry, along with its vulnerability to disruptions in the semiconductor supply chain due to escalating tensions between the United States and China. Lt. Col. Upadhyay began his presentation by emphasising the profound impact semiconductors have had on shaping the modern world. He proceeded to delve into the technical definition of semiconductors, describing them as materials possessing electrical conductivity falling between that of conductors and insulators. He elaborated on commonly used semiconductor materials such as Silicon, Germanium, and Gallium Arsenide (GaAs). He also explained various types of semiconductors, including Discrete Semiconductors, Application Specific ICs (ASICs), Radio-Frequency ICs (RFICs), Micro-electromechanical Systems (MEMS), and System-on-a-chip (SoC).

He emphasised that the world is operating within the 5th computation paradigm, a concept defined by Ray Kurzweil, with semiconductors as the foundation for a trillion-dollar electronics industry. He also pointed out that this same technology forms the basis for the ongoing competition between the US and China. Lt. Col. Upadhyay also highlighted several milestones in the history of semiconductor technology, illustrating its journey from the confines of research laboratories to widespread civilian use. He continued elaborating on the technological progression using the 6 D’s Exponential Framework. This framework outlines a technology's roadmap before reaching its disruptive potential, offering opportunities for development.
Using graphs and figures, Lt. Col. Upadhyay underscored the transformation of the semiconductor industry from a crowded field of competitors in the early 2000s to its current state, where only a handful of companies possess leading-edge manufacturing capabilities. He further delved into the end of Moore’s Law, explaining that its future hinges on researchers’ ability to develop new materials, manufacturing and packaging techniques, and advancements in computing architecture. One suggestion he offered to extend Moore’s Law is to transition toward 3D technology.

Delving further into the topic, he emphasised the fundamental components of a semiconductor production chain and highlighted various subsets within those elements. He pointed out that many original equipment manufacturers (OEMs) and original design manufacturers (ODMs) procure semiconductors to integrate them into consumer end-products. The typical semiconductor production process spans multiple countries and continents.
Expanding on China’s current status in research and development (R&D) and its share in the global chip supply, Lt. Col. Upadhyay highlighted that China currently lacks a significant presence in critical phases such as design, Electronic Design Automation (EDA) and core Intellectual Properties (IPs). Instead, China’s involvement is primarily limited to the back end, constituting approximately 10 percent of the supply chain.

Regarding the geopolitics of semiconductors, he emphasised that while the semiconductor supply chain is internationalized, it is not truly globalized, as it remains concentrated within a few countries and companies. As an illustration, he pointed out that only one company worldwide, the Netherlands-based ASML, holds a monopoly over Extreme Ultraviolet (EUV) Lithography equipment. Additionally, he noted that the global supply of photoresists, crucial chemicals for semiconductor production, is controlled by a small cluster of companies primarily situated in the US, Germany, Japan, and South Korea. Big tech companies have also entered the chip designing arena, with the likes of Amazon, Google, Microsoft, and Tesla all developing chips tailored for artificial intelligence (AI) applications and cloud services.

To maintain leadership in the semiconductor supply chain and stay ahead of China, US President Joe Biden announced new export controls, which are unilateral and were implemented without any other country's support. The measures include severely restricting the flow of almost all chips and related technologies produced globally into the high-end of China’s supercomputing ecosystem, encompassing advanced GPUs intended for any purpose within China. Furthermore, Americans are prohibited from participating in crucial aspects of China’s semiconductor sector to prevent China from benefiting from US expertise and know-how.

The controls may extend beyond chips as the US has identified AI, quantum information systems, biotechnology, biomanufacturing, and advanced clean energy technologies as fundamental to US national security. However, advanced computing and supercomputers have been singled out as targets for these measures. He also emphasied how the equipped with a 7 nm chip, raises doubts about the effectiveness of the US’s unilateral sanctions. Highlighting the potential scenario, he suggested that companies with significant production facilities in China, such as TSMC and SK Hynix, might not react favorably to these measures. They could exert pressure on their governments to circumvent these measures or seek alternative solutions to replace US technology that cannot be sold in the Chinese market.

Regarding India, he mentioned that chip consumption is projected to exceed US $80 billion by 2026 and reach US $110 billion by 2030. India is one of the world's largest consumer electronics markets, so it makes commercial sense to incentivize diverting supply chains and ensure that Indian startups have robust foundations to compete with international players. Furthermore, achieving multiple governmental goals, such as poverty alleviation and improving connectivity, will require advanced chips.

In this context, Indian initiatives like the India Semiconductor Mission (ISM), launched in 2021, are poised to play a significant role. The ISM aims to provide financial support to companies investing in semiconductors, display manufacturing, and the design ecosystem. He also elaborated on the ongoing projects and partnerships between India and other major players.

Questions and Comments

Ambassador Chinoy, began his remarks by expressing concern about India's absence from the global supply chain, despite the ongoing initiatives. He emphasised China's use of Gallium export restrictions to pressure US allies. Additionally, he posed a critical question regarding what steps India can take to gain leverage in the supply chain. He also expressed his concern and curiosity regarding the potential for electronic scavenging from modern devices such as smartphones, as well as the possibility of reverse engineering. Lt. Col. Upadhyay responded by saying that India should focus on manufacturing, and assembly, testing, and packaging (ATP). He also underlined that India should focus on the foundations and, therefore, focus on the existing 180-nm chips, as it is also economical.

Dr. Rajiv Nayan raised a query about why the US lags behind Taiwan in this field. Lt. Col. Upadhyay responded by highlighting that the issue with the US lies in its companies, such as Intel, primarily focusing on the Integrated Device Manufacturer (IDM) model, whereas TSMC concentrates on niche areas. He also emphasised that China is currently utilising 7nm chips only in limited devices and has yet to scale up its usage extensively. Gp. Capt. Rajiv Narang raised a query regarding which entities in India are eligible for partnerships with the US under the Initiative on Critical and Emerging Technologies (iCET), and whether India's focus is on becoming a manufacturing hub or emphasizing research and development (R&D). In response, Lt. Col. Upadhyay mentioned that institutions like SCL Mohali, in collaboration with DRDO, and IIT Madras are engaged with the US, supported by the Indian Government, under the iCET initiative.

Report prepared by Mr. Rohit K. Sharma, Research Analyst, Strategic Technologies Centre.

Report on Roundtable Discussion with Dr Satish Chandra Mishra, Senior Fellow, Habibe Centre, Jakarta January 15, 2024 Round Table

Dr. Satish Chandra Mishra, Senior Fellow, at The Habibie Centre (Jakarta), visited the Manohar Parrikar Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses (MP-IDSA) on 15 January 2024 for a Roundtable Discussion on “Indonesia’s Systemic Transformation and its Implications for its Policy-Making”. Ambassador Sujan R. Chinoy, Director General, MP-IDSA, chaired the discussion. The scholars of MP-IDSA were in attendance.

Executive Summary

The session explored Indonesia’s domestic priorities since the end of the authoritarian Suharto regime. The hits and misses of the subsequent Era Reformasi (Reform Era) were identified. This was followed by a discussion on the current political climate and bilateral relation. The upcoming elections were discussed at length.

Detailed Report

The session began with Director General, MP-IDSA, Amb. Sujan R. Chinoy extending a warm welcome to Dr. Mishra. Amb. Chinoy commenced the session with some of his own observations and a few follow-up questions for Dr. Mishra, to render his assessment during the course of the Roundtable Discussion. The Director General asked the Speaker to provide insight into Indonesia’s relations with China. The latter was asked to speak about Indonesia’s relations with other major powers such as India, the United States, and Australia. Amb. Chinoy also touched on the themes of radicalism and Indonesia’s role in the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation vis-à-vis that of its neighbour Malaysia.

Dr. Mishra lamented the dearth of informed knowledge regarding India in Indonesia despite the love for Bollywood, and vice-versa. He began his discussion with a brief overview of the Suharto-era centralization of power. He noted the existence of a parallel military and civil administration akin to the political commissars of the Soviet Union. Despite the lack of organized opposition to Suharto, the Asian financial crisis of 1997 led to unprecedented violence and political unrest. The subsequent fall of the authoritarian New Order paved the way for a complete overhaul of the social, economic, judicial and political systems of Indonesia. Every aspect of Indonesian life was subjected to these systemic reforms. The hitherto highly centralized government was made more democratic by two laws on decentralization, passed in the year 1999. Dr. Mishra cited the Constitutional amendments and judiciary reforms as two major examples of the systemic transformation of Indonesia.

Dr. Mishra noted that these reforms were homegrown and required no foreign assistance. However, some gaps remain. He cited the political system of Indonesia as a case in point. The political system of Indonesia, he argued, is partly French and partly American in its composition. Although the transformation is still an ongoing process, significant progress has been made in a short period of time. According to Dr. Mishra, Indonesia saw economic recovery within five years of the onset of Era Reformasi. Economic growth has been balanced by a social system that is cohesive. Additionally, the systemic transformation efforts have not been impeded by any fears of instability. Dr. Mishra ruled out any possibility of a Suharto-like military coup. Nation building was always a top priority for Indonesia. Outlining Indonesia’s security and domestic priorities, Dr. Mishra identified nation-building as being the paramount concern. Around 20-30 million new entrants are expected to join the Indonesian workforce this year and thus job creation is an area of concern. He opined that there is a need for generating employment to help absorb the large working-class population.

Establishing an integrated domestic market finds itself among the other domestic priorities of Indonesia. Such a project requires massive infrastructure investment and much of the foreign investment comes from countries such as China and India. Addressing external concerns regarding the “capture” by China, Dr. Mishra argued that foreign investments in Indonesia are not restricted to the Chinese. He also added that the investor always has the upper hand at the initial stages of implementing a large infrastructure project.

Dr. Mishra presented an opinion that despite the impression of the rise of Islamic fundamentalism in Indonesia, with observable characteristics such as more women donning the hijab, there is a need to observe the phenomenon more closely. He argued that although the sharia is increasingly being adopted at the level of local governments, family law has largely been the focus. Additionally, Islamic fundamentalism has not come up in a big way in the national politics despite Indonesia being a Muslim majority country. The total share of Islamic parties does not exceed 20 percent.

On the theme of electoral politics, Dr. Mishra sought to distinguish Malay politics from Indonesian politics. Malaysian politics resembles the British style of politics. Indonesian political structure, on the other hand, draws influence from the United States and France. All elections in Indonesia, across various levels of government, are held on the same day. Dr. Mishra noted a sharp decline in political violence since 2000, thus pointing to Indonesian democracy being quite deeply rooted. Dr. Mishra made a brief mention of US-Indonesia relations since the Suharto days. Pointing to USA’s softpower in the country.

Dr. Mishra concluded his discussion with an optimistic economic forecast for both India and Indonesia. He hailed the advent of an “Asian Century”, endorsing the projection of India and Indonesia as the likely candidates among the Top 4 economies in the near future.

Questions and Comments

Ambassador Chinoy made reference to the release of Abu Bakar Bashir of the Jemaah Islamiya, an influential hardliner who had been incarcerated on account of providing training camps for militants in Aceh and has also been linked to the 2002 Bali bombings.

Mr. Arvind Khare asked for a clearer picture on the decentralized structure of governance in Indonesia. In the light of the political ascension of Jokowi’s two sons, Gibran Rakabuming Raka and Kaesang Pangarep, Mrs. Shruti Pandalai made note of the emerging trend of dynastic politics in Indonesia. Gp Capt. Narang asked for the Speaker’s opinion on whether Indonesia views India as a partner in its industrial growth and military modernization. Cmde. Abhay Singh brought up the issue of corruption as an impediment for economic growth in Indonesia.  Mr. Om Prakash’s question revolved around the expected electoral outcome. Mr. Niranjan Oak enquired about the role of Muhammadiya Islamic schools in influencing elections. Dr. Temjenmeren Ao brought up the issue of Indonesia’s fiscal control on its public debt.

Dr. Mishra responded to all comments and questions from the Director General and MP-IDSA scholars.

Report prepared by Ms. Aditi Dhaundiyal, Intern, Southeast Asia and Oceania Centre.

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